Circuses. Circuses. After this it’s back to Michael Jackson, no matter how partially digested he is.
Well…Mostly because even though church and state don’t mix, the pope does have strong political influences from their followers. (ie:Pope is against gay marriage: thousands of Catholic followers vote against gay marriage or those who would support it.)
Regardless of what we want to believe, the Caothlic following is huge in America, and alot of our policies are based off those voters.
Because he influences the world, and you live in it. Assuming you care about the fate of people in Africa, India, and other areas where the Catholic church affects people’s access to contraceptives, and similar global issues, you should care who is pope. If not, no worries.
This guy in particular has suggested that good catholics in american cannot vote for pro-choice candidates. So it, sadly, does affect us. Good think is that he’s old, so he won’t be Pope for a super-long time.
That’s what they said about John Paul II!
Cause there are a billion catholics, and you don’t live in a vacuum.
Why am I supposed to care who is pope
the entertainment value. comedy is much needed.
Let’s show why we don’t care.
By making out.
Naked.
In St. Peter Square.
And spanking us in her nun’s costume 🙂
This scenario makes me all but apoplectic with glee…
Make it so!
*gasps*
How can you ask such a thing? The Pope is an important figure of cultural oppression and paranoid, prejudicial thinking around the world!
You know what, forget what I said above….
Go with this one.
And how does my caring about *who* the pope is change the contingency of who the pope is?
And my how does my concern change this?
It makes me almost apoplectic for other reasons as well ;-P
I still don’t understand how that fact is a supposition to my caring – what does me caring about it *do*?
In his memoirs, Ratzinger wrote that he was enrolled in the Nazi youth movement against his will when he was 14 in 1941, when membership was compulsory. He said he was soon let out because of his studies for the priesthood.
Two years later he was drafted into a Nazi anti-aircraft unit as a helper, a common task for teenage boys too young to be soldiers. A year later he was released, only to be sent to the Austrian-Hungarian border to construct tank barriers.
He deserted the German army in April 1945, in the final weeks of the war in Europe, and returned to Traunstein — a risky move, since deserters were shot on the spot if caught, or publicly hanged as examples to others.
When he arrived home, U.S. soldiers took him prisoner and held him in a POW camp for several weeks. Upon his release, he re-entered the seminary.
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Hmmm Nazi ?? Priest ?? They both have nice outfits …. I guess I’ll do both.
Now he’s Pope.
Point taken..concern and apathy *are* two different things…
It’s still a bit disheartening, even though the Catholic Church will never give up on its positions on abortion, gay marriage and birth control…and with good reason…Can’t further the institution if they did.
How disingenuous of you.
When I say “care”, I mean “be aware and possibly concerned.” Obviously, I don’t know what you mean by it.
I don’t think you are supposed to, but I think you should. While you can’t change who was elected Pope, this, for me, pretty much falls into the category of know thy enemy as well as thy friend. Cheap theatrical Hitler Youth wailing and gnashing of teeth aside, he’s a far right winger with a billion catholics to influence, a whole shit ton of them right here in the US, many of who with his encouragement and guidance, will vote on some pretty important social issues.
And really, knowledge is never a bad thing.
You’re not. Either you care or you don’t. There’s no “supposed to” about it.
Nor is there a “should.”
Everyone notice that I didn’t ask “Why should I be concerned about the possible ramifications {when they come} of this new pope.”
That’s a different question, though it seems some thought that’s what I meant.
Instead of asking me to clarify what I meant by my question, or asking me to be less vague, why did you jump to conclusions?
**This comment brought to you in spirit of ‘s latest post.
Well then you can argue what does caring about ANYTHING do. If all you do is just care about it.
An excellent point. Good on you for discovering a hidden assumption of mine. 🙂
I feel I should, I suppose, because those whom I respect on LJ seem to care – and since I don’t, I assumed that I should. Interesting.
Perhaps, but these line of thinking smack too much of a slippery-slope fallacy to me.
A reactionary Pope? Good Heavens! 😉
Please elucidate.
There is hand-wringing, and then there is action. That’s one point I was trying to make through a crappy Craig version of the Socratic method.
I’m much more concerned about his tenure as the head of the Committee for the Doctrine of the Faith, the thought police of the Catholic Church. You might better know that organization by its former name, The Inquisition.
Boots and crop on the ready!
Ambiguity, the devil’s vollyball. 🙂
I’m sorry for the annoying aspect of my seeming disingenuousness; I *do* have a reason for it: See my post below.
Well stop it, it gives me a headache.
And does Tiki really have a nuns outfit? Cause you know, I’m terrified of Nuns..
But Isn’t that the point of Infallability? I know the whole (broken) concept of infallability is part of being the pope. It’s also this aspect of Organized religion that I eschew.
I’d rather be concerned about the effects of papal policy down the road *when it happens* rather than hemming and hawing about a possible approaching storm.
Well, the habit belongs to the Haunt costume shop, but yeah.
ok
Seriously terrified of Nuns.. I have no idea why.. They are like Zombie Midget Republican Clowns Squared Scary.
Because.
I only mentioned it as a historical note, so that when I go back and read these entries when I’m 95, I’ll be able to say, “Oh, yes. That was one of the days when I was more or less aware of what was going on in the world.” Or, possibly, “Oh, yes. I had to work that day, so I was listening to the radio in my car.”
Well they do have the whole child molestation thing in common.
So not a far slide.
Yes, I have no idea why I’m commenting so much in this thread.
I would really rather see it never come to the part in the road “when it happens” to be honest…And I think that’s what alot of people are doing too. Projecting what is going to take place with the new pope.
Preperation of the mind is a coping mechanism for most…Predicting what one is headed for may be nerve-wracking, but is often times vital for one’s existance…even spiritually…
Though, I really don’t see there being big dramatic changes, to be honest…Except, maybe women having to take a back seat in the religion once again…JP2 gave women hope there might be a place for them, but I imagine that “Benedict” is going to live up to his name for women….
But..that’s just my personal rant…
Oh, wicked, wicked fun!
When would be good for you? Now’s a great time to visit Rome!
Or I could visit Portland and we do the rest with PhotoShop or Gimp.
let me restate that as
I’ll be concerned about the ramifications when they come. The “shit storm” that approaches only becomes more powerful by our apprehension and panic.
I mean, I can’t personally see anything I’d change or do that would have any effect on anything in this arena.
Just more reason to continue to be who I am, I suppose.
We need an Italian Piazza location scout.
I suppose so.
Make it so 🙂 The only Italian piazzas I know are all in Rome.
But who does the religion belong to? The people? Isn’t that why Mr. number one semite nailed his BS to the church door and broke away?
I find this new pope to be an interesting piece of history. Noted. Yep, that’s about it.
JPII was elected in 1979. He was 58 at the time. That’s not old by any means for a pope. I really doubt anyone was saying he’d die soon.
Ratzinger, on the other hand, is 78, only six years younger than JPII was when he died. Much better chance of being a short-term pope.
I care about the position because I was declined for it.
And frankly, I think Catholic-Americans (only) deserve a real party pope… no place holder or stuffy old crabcake filed with spiderwebs. The Catholic Church needs new followers, and new appeal. That’s why I (would have been) am introducing the new Catholocism WOW! campaign!
in my reign, masses would be Disco-orgies! And since I’m pope, I’m infallible! Also, invincible, and your lead man to call if Mecha-Godzilla comes to town!
Hmmm. I guess I must have been confusing JPII with his predecessor. Who, IIRC, was indeed pope for a very short time. Sorry, mea culpa.
Of course, the way things are going in the world today, Benedict XVI will probably live to be 100.
And despite not being Catholic, it does feel really wrong to be hoping the pope dies soon. :-/
I am a little surprised that there are no Jews screaming about the catholic Nazi, but then perhaps for them the anti-semitism of a pope is a foregone conclusion.
Circuses. Circuses. After this it’s back to Michael Jackson, no matter how partially digested he is.
Well…Mostly because even though church and state don’t mix, the pope does have strong political influences from their followers. (ie:Pope is against gay marriage: thousands of Catholic followers vote against gay marriage or those who would support it.)
Regardless of what we want to believe, the Caothlic following is huge in America, and alot of our policies are based off those voters.
Because he influences the world, and you live in it. Assuming you care about the fate of people in Africa, India, and other areas where the Catholic church affects people’s access to contraceptives, and similar global issues, you should care who is pope. If not, no worries.
This guy in particular has suggested that good catholics in american cannot vote for pro-choice candidates. So it, sadly, does affect us. Good think is that he’s old, so he won’t be Pope for a super-long time.
That’s what they said about John Paul II!
Cause there are a billion catholics, and you don’t live in a vacuum.
Why am I supposed to care who is pope
the entertainment value. comedy is much needed.
Let’s show why we don’t care.
By making out.
Naked.
In St. Peter Square.
And spanking us in her nun’s costume 🙂
This scenario makes me all but apoplectic with glee…
Make it so!
*gasps*
How can you ask such a thing? The Pope is an important figure of cultural oppression and paranoid, prejudicial thinking around the world!
You know what, forget what I said above….
Go with this one.
And how does my caring about *who* the pope is change the contingency of who the pope is?
And my how does my concern change this?
It makes me almost apoplectic for other reasons as well ;-P
I still don’t understand how that fact is a supposition to my caring – what does me caring about it *do*?
In his memoirs, Ratzinger wrote that he was enrolled in the Nazi youth movement against his will when he was 14 in 1941, when membership was compulsory. He said he was soon let out because of his studies for the priesthood.
Two years later he was drafted into a Nazi anti-aircraft unit as a helper, a common task for teenage boys too young to be soldiers. A year later he was released, only to be sent to the Austrian-Hungarian border to construct tank barriers.
He deserted the German army in April 1945, in the final weeks of the war in Europe, and returned to Traunstein — a risky move, since deserters were shot on the spot if caught, or publicly hanged as examples to others.
When he arrived home, U.S. soldiers took him prisoner and held him in a POW camp for several weeks. Upon his release, he re-entered the seminary.
————————————————–
Hmmm Nazi ?? Priest ?? They both have nice outfits …. I guess I’ll do both.
Now he’s Pope.
Point taken..concern and apathy *are* two different things…
It’s still a bit disheartening, even though the Catholic Church will never give up on its positions on abortion, gay marriage and birth control…and with good reason…Can’t further the institution if they did.
How disingenuous of you.
When I say “care”, I mean “be aware and possibly concerned.” Obviously, I don’t know what you mean by it.
I don’t think you are supposed to, but I think you should. While you can’t change who was elected Pope, this, for me, pretty much falls into the category of know thy enemy as well as thy friend. Cheap theatrical Hitler Youth wailing and gnashing of teeth aside, he’s a far right winger with a billion catholics to influence, a whole shit ton of them right here in the US, many of who with his encouragement and guidance, will vote on some pretty important social issues.
And really, knowledge is never a bad thing.
You’re not. Either you care or you don’t. There’s no “supposed to” about it.
Nor is there a “should.”
Everyone notice that I didn’t ask “Why should I be concerned about the possible ramifications {when they come} of this new pope.”
That’s a different question, though it seems some thought that’s what I meant.
Instead of asking me to clarify what I meant by my question, or asking me to be less vague, why did you jump to conclusions?
**This comment brought to you in spirit of‘s latest post.
Well then you can argue what does caring about ANYTHING do. If all you do is just care about it.
An excellent point. Good on you for discovering a hidden assumption of mine. 🙂
I feel I should, I suppose, because those whom I respect on LJ seem to care – and since I don’t, I assumed that I should. Interesting.
Perhaps, but these line of thinking smack too much of a slippery-slope fallacy to me.
A reactionary Pope? Good Heavens! 😉
Please elucidate.
There is hand-wringing, and then there is action. That’s one point I was trying to make through a crappy Craig version of the Socratic method.
I’m much more concerned about his tenure as the head of the Committee for the Doctrine of the Faith, the thought police of the Catholic Church. You might better know that organization by its former name, The Inquisition.
Boots and crop on the ready!
Ambiguity, the devil’s vollyball. 🙂
I’m sorry for the annoying aspect of my seeming disingenuousness; I *do* have a reason for it: See my post below.
Well stop it, it gives me a headache.
And does Tiki really have a nuns outfit? Cause you know, I’m terrified of Nuns..
But Isn’t that the point of Infallability? I know the whole (broken) concept of infallability is part of being the pope. It’s also this aspect of Organized religion that I eschew.
I’d rather be concerned about the effects of papal policy down the road *when it happens* rather than hemming and hawing about a possible approaching storm.
Well, the habit belongs to the Haunt costume shop, but yeah.
ok
Seriously terrified of Nuns.. I have no idea why.. They are like Zombie Midget Republican Clowns Squared Scary.
Because.
I only mentioned it as a historical note, so that when I go back and read these entries when I’m 95, I’ll be able to say, “Oh, yes. That was one of the days when I was more or less aware of what was going on in the world.” Or, possibly, “Oh, yes. I had to work that day, so I was listening to the radio in my car.”
Well they do have the whole child molestation thing in common.
So not a far slide.
Yes, I have no idea why I’m commenting so much in this thread.
I would really rather see it never come to the part in the road “when it happens” to be honest…And I think that’s what alot of people are doing too. Projecting what is going to take place with the new pope.
Preperation of the mind is a coping mechanism for most…Predicting what one is headed for may be nerve-wracking, but is often times vital for one’s existance…even spiritually…
Though, I really don’t see there being big dramatic changes, to be honest…Except, maybe women having to take a back seat in the religion once again…JP2 gave women hope there might be a place for them, but I imagine that “Benedict” is going to live up to his name for women….
But..that’s just my personal rant…
Oh, wicked, wicked fun!
When would be good for you? Now’s a great time to visit Rome!
Or I could visit Portland and we do the rest with PhotoShop or Gimp.
let me restate that as
I’ll be concerned about the ramifications when they come. The “shit storm” that approaches only becomes more powerful by our apprehension and panic.
I mean, I can’t personally see anything I’d change or do that would have any effect on anything in this arena.
Just more reason to continue to be who I am, I suppose.
We need an Italian Piazza location scout.
I suppose so.
Make it so 🙂 The only Italian piazzas I know are all in Rome.
But who does the religion belong to? The people? Isn’t that why Mr. number one semite nailed his BS to the church door and broke away?
I find this new pope to be an interesting piece of history. Noted. Yep, that’s about it.
JPII was elected in 1979. He was 58 at the time. That’s not old by any means for a pope. I really doubt anyone was saying he’d die soon.
Ratzinger, on the other hand, is 78, only six years younger than JPII was when he died. Much better chance of being a short-term pope.
I care about the position because I was declined for it.
And frankly, I think Catholic-Americans (only) deserve a real party pope… no place holder or stuffy old crabcake filed with spiderwebs. The Catholic Church needs new followers, and new appeal. That’s why I (would have been) am introducing the new Catholocism WOW! campaign!
in my reign, masses would be Disco-orgies! And since I’m pope, I’m infallible! Also, invincible, and your lead man to call if Mecha-Godzilla comes to town!
Hmmm. I guess I must have been confusing JPII with his predecessor. Who, IIRC, was indeed pope for a very short time. Sorry, mea culpa.
Of course, the way things are going in the world today, Benedict XVI will probably live to be 100.
And despite not being Catholic, it does feel really wrong to be hoping the pope dies soon. :-/
I am a little surprised that there are no Jews screaming about the catholic Nazi, but then perhaps for them the anti-semitism of a pope is a foregone conclusion.